[外絮] Green at No. 16? SI.com

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Green at No. 16? SI.com breaks down Top 100's most polarizing rankings http://tinyurl.com/pnl4rqj 百大的翻譯進度 因為正在等一位幫手翻譯,會稍晚一點 看到另一個版友先幫忙整理了百名的內容,很感謝我也會把它納入精華區當作索引 下面很多人說 追夢綠 太高了,我其實也是這麼覺得 剛好看到這一篇也提到說 怎麼評價 Draymond Green, Kyrie, Carmelo 就當作練英聽,聽打把他打下來,最後才發現原來有CC = = 但我只打了 追夢綠,有興趣聽其他兩位的可以自己去聽。 主持: SI.com has release their top 100 NBA player, heading into next season. And outside of top 10 is some very polarizing figure, so let's welcome Ben Golliver and Rob Mahoney. And I'll start with you Draymond Green, number 16, is that a little high for the power forward from Golden State? 運動畫刊已經公布了下一季百大NBA球員。在前十名之外的評價很兩極,所以我們歡迎 Ben Golliver 和 Rob Mahoney(這兩位就是排百大的人)。 首先先開始你不會覺得對追夢綠這個勇士大前鋒來說,排第16名稍高了點? Ben Golliver: I totally understand why that would be everybody's first reaction. I mean, I think most people to conceive of him as a complementary player on offense, he's not a lead score, he's not putting up huge numbers. But this list really tries to do is pick out the all around best players. And Draymond Green is one heck of all around great player on both sides. So let's start offensively. Yes, he is complimentary, but he's very versatile. He can play multiple positions. He's able to support lead scoring options like Steph Curry and Klay Thompson. With his outside shooting ability he's able to you know play a little bit off of the dribble. He's able to dive into the paint, draw attention. 我懂這會是大家的第一個反應,大家都認為他在進攻只是補充的角色,他無法得很多分。 但是這個排名是為了找出整體最好的球員。追夢綠在兩個方面整體來說是很棒的球員, 先從進攻談起,沒錯他是補充用的,但是非常多功能,他可以打兩個位子(4號 5號),他 有辦法支援得分的球員,Curry和K湯。靠著他不錯的射籃能力,還有大家知道的運球能力 ,他可以打進油漆區,並吸引其他防守者 But, of course, defense is where he stands out. He plays both the four and five. He's excellent switching on to smaller player. He can rebound well enough to allow teams to go small and really create lots of place. I think his overall impact and energy is really just elite, so we look at him as the second most important player on Golden States last year. So that slotted him in between Steph Curry and Klay Thompson and we also thounght that when compared him to some other power forwards, maybe guys like Chris Bosh who has some injury questions or Kevin Love who's more of an offense first player and not quite as complete, we thought Draymond Green totally deserved the ranking where we put him. 當然,防守才是他的專長。他打四號位和五號位。他有能力切換防守到矮小的球員。他 的籃板能幫助球隊打小球並製造出很多空間。我認為他的整體影響與能力是足夠成為 勇士第二重要的球員,所以排在Curry和K湯中間。另外我們考慮到與其他大前鋒的比較, 像是有受傷疑慮的Bosh,和進攻第一整體卻不完整的Love,我們認為追夢綠值得排在這個 位子。 Rob Mohoney: Yeah, I means another thing to take into consideration with these kinds of rankings is that we're trying to look at which guys skills set transfer across the board, so yeah Draymond Green is great in Golden State, but he's also a guy who you could plug in almost any roster in the league, almost any kind of system in the league. And when you have a defender of his caliber, or a passer of his caliber, a guy who can space the floor in his bend set, who can make plays off the dribble, who could do pretty much everything for you, except for bulk scoring. That's gonna rate really really well in terms of our evaluations. I think I mean he's the defensive player of the year candidate last year, maybe he should have won the award according the some. And he is gonna be really projected to be that going forward. And so when you have a player that has that kind of specialty, this kind of all around game, I mean this is where lands you, in terms of an NBA ranking. 另外一點要納入考慮的是會判斷球員的技巧是否能轉移。沒錯他在勇士打得很好,但是 他也能在聯盟的任何輪值、系統配合得很好。如果你有一個他這樣的防守、傳球能力, 能拉開空間、做好運球,做好所有的事除了大量得分。在我們的評價中會非常的高。 我認為他身為DPOY的競爭者,或許在某些層面應該屬於他。而且他會照著預期成長, 如果你有這樣的球員,你就會把他排在這樣的名次裡。 我前面有翻過一篇文章就是在提他們怎麼評分的,他們有一點很重要的就是要考慮到 不能受到球隊系統的影響,要考慮他是否只是因為球隊的系統而打出成績。 心得: 為什麼他的CC 都是打 Clay Thompson啊 = = -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc), 來自: 111.250.191.82 ※ 文章網址: https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NBA/M.1441510969.A.EE2.html

09/06 11:45, , 1F
冠軍加持,歷史定位超越老巴,16剛好
09/06 11:45, 1F
修正上色 ※ 編輯: st900278 (111.250.191.82), 09/06/2015 11:47:15

09/06 11:54, , 2F
所以說不管到哪都受用是重要的評價關鍵
09/06 11:54, 2F

09/06 11:58, , 3F
但是很多戰術都是因球星而改變這點不知道怎麼考慮..
09/06 11:58, 3F

09/06 12:00, , 4F
這樣我覺得KD跟LBJ的排名可能可以互換一下?
09/06 12:00, 4F

09/06 12:01, , 5F
CC 是什麼意思? 表情符號嗎?? 我也會打cc...
09/06 12:01, 5F

09/06 12:01, , 6F
因為KD常常被迫融入RW的戰術裡XD
09/06 12:01, 6F

09/06 12:01, , 7F
cc是字幕
09/06 12:01, 7F

09/06 12:02, , 8F
這樣 怎麼會可以互換 沒看到 KD在西河受傷的時候打
09/06 12:02, 8F

09/06 12:02, , 9F
成怎樣? lbj 隨插即用啊
09/06 12:02, 9F

09/06 12:04, , 10F
是這樣沒錯啦XD 但是做一個小小的假設
09/06 12:04, 10F

09/06 12:05, , 11F
如果LBJ跟KD互換隊伍,不知到哪邊的適應力比較高?
09/06 12:05, 11F

09/06 12:06, , 12F
沒有要貶低LBJ的意思,但是KD無球打法會不會比LBJ
09/06 12:06, 12F

09/06 12:07, , 13F
更適合「不受球隊系統影響」的這個因素?
09/06 12:07, 13F

09/06 12:09, , 14F
喔喔 懂你的意思了
09/06 12:09, 14F

09/06 12:11, , 15F
嗯嗯,因為我只是發現我的第一句跟你的心得好像有點
09/06 12:11, 15F

09/06 12:11, , 16F
衝突,才會突然想到這問題
09/06 12:11, 16F

09/06 12:13, , 17F
那也不是什麼心得 你可以看我之前翻的一篇 how we r
09/06 12:13, 17F

09/06 12:13, , 18F
ank 確切名字不記得了
09/06 12:13, 18F

09/06 12:14, , 19F
喔喔,有看過XD 沒關係,反正到時候翻譯出來就知道
09/06 12:14, 19F

09/06 12:14, , 20F
了,謝謝!
09/06 12:14, 20F

09/06 12:14, , 21F
KD沒西河也是打很好啊
09/06 12:14, 21F

09/06 12:15, , 22F
如果說季後賽表現不佳 那也是打西區球隊
09/06 12:15, 22F

09/06 12:15, , 23F
姆斯沒季後賽沒名人堂等級隊友 打西區球隊結果怎
09/06 12:15, 23F

09/06 12:15, , 24F
好奇有自走炮帶領球隊拿下冠軍的嗎
09/06 12:15, 24F

09/06 12:16, , 25F
我們今年以及 當年打馬刺的看得到
09/06 12:16, 25F

09/06 12:16, , 26F
09/06 12:16, 26F

09/06 12:16, , 27F
KD或西河這種球員是不需要甚麼系統的
09/06 12:16, 27F

09/06 12:30, , 28F
KB才都哪都強吧 總冠軍保證 也不需要組團
09/06 12:30, 28F

09/06 12:37, , 29F
其實就是排爽的,又不是誰說得算 XD
09/06 12:37, 29F

09/06 12:40, , 30F
請問25遺珠也會翻嗎
09/06 12:40, 30F
你猜到了 我翻完100就會翻遺珠了

09/06 12:54, , 31F
你的系統 有形狀嗎(展開圓)
09/06 12:54, 31F
本尊出來了

09/06 12:56, , 32F
不需要組隊笑了...
09/06 12:56, 32F
※ 編輯: st900278 (111.250.191.82), 09/06/2015 12:59:35

09/06 13:07, , 33F
最大優點:隨插即用 最大缺點:缺乏統治 一體兩面
09/06 13:07, 33F

09/06 13:36, , 34F
不用考慮那麼多... 你憑直覺在LBJ和KD之間選一個比
09/06 13:36, 34F

09/06 13:36, , 35F
較強的你會選KD嗎
09/06 13:36, 35F

09/06 14:03, , 36F
現如今多功能型球員很吃香啊
09/06 14:03, 36F

09/06 14:40, , 37F
我還以為是指創用cc 想說你怎麼還敢po
09/06 14:40, 37F

09/06 15:28, , 38F
講半天,Green就是重守輕攻,冠軍加持才這麼高,這
09/06 15:28, 38F

09/06 15:28, , 39F
樣看的話,灰熊那幾隻的排名都該上升
09/06 15:28, 39F

09/06 18:46, , 40F
你哪隻眼睛看到他輕攻...
09/06 18:46, 40F

09/06 18:46, , 41F
他有很不錯的外圍投射 加上一點切入能力
09/06 18:46, 41F

09/06 18:47, , 42F
考慮到他打到的是PF甚至C 那個切入是有威脅的
09/06 18:47, 42F

09/06 20:09, , 43F
07馬刺光三巨頭就三個名人堂級 勇士咖哩k湯無傷也是
09/06 20:09, 43F

09/06 20:09, , 44F
預約
09/06 20:09, 44F

09/06 20:10, , 45F
結果你鞭姆斯沒名人堂隊友 你是看過誰身邊沒名人堂
09/06 20:10, 45F

09/06 20:10, , 46F
隊友自己一個打贏總冠系列賽嗎
09/06 20:10, 46F

09/06 23:23, , 47F
像他這種聰明的球員還是要系統阿~
09/06 23:23, 47F

09/07 08:50, , 48F
歐拉啊
09/07 08:50, 48F

09/07 10:38, , 49F
也捧得太高了吧...= =
09/07 10:38, 49F

09/07 12:01, , 50F
更何況很多人是被動地接受名人堂隊友
09/07 12:01, 50F

09/07 12:01, , 51F
甚至像喬丹這樣自己培養出來名人堂隊友
09/07 12:01, 51F

09/07 12:02, , 52F
跟汲汲營營地去拜託已經有冠的名人堂隊友
09/07 12:02, 52F

09/07 12:02, , 53F
讓他也奪一下冠 去除0冠頭銜 不可一概而論
09/07 12:02, 53F

09/08 08:58, , 54F
自走砲奪冠 dirk算吧?
09/08 08:58, 54F
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