Re: [文法] once真怪
想藉這個討論串順便問問強者對past perfect的看法
我覺得past perfect(pp)一種特定敘述過去事件的方式,最常見於:
1. mixed tense: 兩個過去事件,較早的事件以pp表達(較晚的用simple past)
2. mixed tense: 一個較早的過去狀態(pp)+第二個過去事件(sp)
3. 過去時點+since表示從X時起 (類似present perfect + for的用法)
我的理解是幾乎past perfect都可以轉換成past simple(較寬鬆)表示
除了一個狀態: I had never eaten sushi before I went to Japan.
原因如下:
NOW
1/1 我還沒去日本,沒吃過壽司 I have never eaten sushi.
1/2 我去了日本吃壽司 I ate three pieces of otoro sushi.
1/3 我回來了,站在now陳述過去 I had never eaten sushi before I went
experience to Japan.
這個狀況下「絕對不可以使用」兩個simple past
(X) I never ate sushi before I went to Japan.
這句話有語病,因為站在1/3 now的時點你明明吃過了(不論是I never
ate (選擇) or I have never eaten (經驗)在1/3都不成立)
所以一定要用pp表達前段這個過去經驗。
同時也可以把had eaten看成是have eaten往過去推移的結果。
但如果是兩個獨立事件,我以為(還請各方指點)下列兩者皆正確:
(O) I studied English before I went to Canada.
(O) I had studied English before I went to Canada.
基本上有沒有had都無妨,反正before已點出時間順序
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為什麼落落長講這些,因為我覺得(假設pp的用法符合上列條件),這兩個
句型grammatically speaking對我來說都是正確的,連意思都差不多,
只是在某些特定狀況下我們不得不/最好將simple past改成pp,這樣
然後had once been = used to be,我套used to be 下去覺得沒問題
所以我覺得had once been應該也沒問題 XD
上述舉例都沒有用passive voice... 但應該邏輯相同吧?
總之因為上述論證 我覺得這兩個sentence都是正解而且意義相同
structure因對話內容所牽涉到的事件時點不同而有所差異
癥結似乎不在once而是在時態
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