[閒聊] Matyas Kuti

看板Rubiks作者 (C'est ma vie)時間16年前 (2008/02/23 10:48), 編輯推噓9(905)
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Allright, here it comes. I already talked about this issue in an earlier post, but I have more details now: The 2nd solve in the 15 cubes multiple blindfolded at the World Championships 07. The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyEbkrjTeag
The part I talked about earlier is 4:00 – 4:40. He seems to mess up the corners. And then he magically knows how to correct his mistake. Somebody suggested that it might be an algorithm that also twists corners. Well, I have news: I reconstructed the whole drama: from 4:00 – 5:19. Seriously, if a person still believes that no visual aid was involved after seeing this, he is either: A) A person who does not know the first thing about blindfold cubing. B) A stubborn dumbass I have no other words to describe it. I don't see how anyone can still believe he did not cheat after this. Here is what happened: At 4:00, the corners are solved (after about a minute of solving). Then he does some setup moves, a three cycle, and the inverse of the setup moves. Next, he uses D' L' F2 as setup moves, then a three cycle, then F2 D L!! He inverts the moves in the wrong order, completely messing up the corners and some edges again. Now, had he realised that he made a mistake without seeing it, he would have just done L' D' L D to correct it. But this was clearly not the case. Instead, he starts looking around, then starts doing the corners all over again, including a move like z U'R'U z' to insert a yellow corner in the first layer again, and a commutator to twist two corners. The reconstructed part of the solve is below. I also made an applet: http://solvethecube.110mb.com/kuti.htm Scramble: U R2 F2 L2 U B2 D2 L2 U2 L2 U R U' D F' U F B' R' U L2 (white on top, blue on front) Solution: [Three cycle] d' L D F2 R2 U R U R' U' R' U' R' U R' F2 D' L' d [Setup moves] d2 D' L' F2 [Three cycle] M2 U M U2 M' U M2 [Wrong inverse of setup moves] F2 D L [Looking around] y2 U U' [Inserting D-layer corner] yz U'R'U z'y U' y'2 [J-Permutation] L' U R U' L U2 R' U R U2 R' [Three cycle] R' x y R' R2 U R U R' U' R' U' R' U R' R y' x' R [Twisting two corners with commutator] L2 z' U' R' U R U' R' U L' U' R U R' U' R U L z L2 y2 [Three cycle] M' U M U2 M' U M [Three cycle] R2 U' R' U' R U R U R U' R [Some rotations] y2 x2 y y [Three cycle] M' U M U2 M' U M [Three cycle] R2 U' R' U' R U R U R U' R [Some rotations] y' z2 y' y z2 [T-Permuatation] R y2 R U R' U' R' F R2 U' R' U' R U R' F' L' http://tinyurl.com/2r5t7y This video reconstruction is enough prooving that Kuti is cheating... -- ▃▄▅▇▆ █ █ ▃▄▅▆▇█ █ █ █ █ █ █ ▉ ▉ █ █ █ █ █ ▉ █ ▊ ▊ ▉ ▉ ▉ ▉ █ ▊ ▊▄▅▆▇▊ ▊▄▅▆▇█ ▊ ▊ ▊▊ ▋ ▋ ▋ ▋ ▋ ▋ █ in █▄▅▆▇█ ▌ ▌ ▍▄▅▆▇█ █ █ PTT.CC -- ※ 發信站: 批踢踢實業坊(ptt.cc) ◆ From: 220.132.84.96

02/23 11:08, , 1F
啥 有新重點嗎 我只看到還在爭論
02/23 11:08, 1F

02/23 11:09, , 2F
他有把solve解出來...不過老實說這也不算證明 這本來就
02/23 11:09, 2F

02/23 11:10, , 3F
是再怎樣也無法證明他作弊的事情
02/23 11:10, 3F

02/23 11:21, , 4F
雖然我才初學盲解,不過盲解都有一定順序的吧?
02/23 11:21, 4F

02/23 11:21, , 5F
先角的方向再邊的方向,可是Kuti可以把一個已經弄錯的
02/23 11:21, 5F
※ 編輯: chevylove 來自: 220.132.84.96 (02/23 11:23)

02/23 11:23, , 6F
corner再轉對,除非有特殊方法,不然真的很像是作弊= =a
02/23 11:23, 6F

02/23 11:38, , 7F
我覺得他是想表達,他轉錯後轉回來的方式,不像是以盲解的
02/23 11:38, 7F

02/23 11:39, , 8F
手法(就逆著回去到做錯的步驟後再重新開始),而KUTI是用
02/23 11:39, 8F

02/23 11:39, , 9F
了很神奇的方法回復的~ 大概是這樣吧 XDD
02/23 11:39, 9F

02/23 11:42, , 10F
還在爭論阿【嘆】等Kuti下次比賽就真相大白了
02/23 11:42, 10F
在被證明有作弊或沒有作弊之前 Kuti 參加比賽也證明不了什麼,請注意這點 事實上在這篇首po之後 Kuti本來要去 Benelux Open 結果以他本人在本討論串的回文來看, Ron要他暫時不要參加比賽 但是他對於自己有沒有作弊沒有提出說明 直到這篇分析文出現,大部分的人都認為這已經足以作為證據了 在這篇出現之前,我的態度一直都是沒證據就不要把話說得太絕對 即使在一開始 Milan po 文之後我個人就覺得非常可疑了, 但是沒有絕對性的證據,任何的指控都是很不公平的. 抱歉沒有時間翻譯 , 這是 Joel 作的影片重置 他把15顆 multi 的第二顆 分析, 分析就在上面 基本上已經可以當作 Kuti 作弊的證明了抱歉沒有時間翻譯 , 這是 Joel 作的影片重置 他把15顆 multi 的第二顆 分析, 分析就在上面 基本上已經可以當作 Kuti 作弊的證明了 但 Joel 的分析足以讓我相信 Kuti 至少在這次比賽是有作弊的. 我才會 Po 文讓大家看.. 關鍵點在於 Kuti 原本已經把角的方向位置都做好了 但他在作第二次換三邊的時候 , 把 setup 弄混了 導致某些角的位置跟方向又錯了,如果他在解的時候發現 只要把 setup 回復就可以 但是他卻把角又重新做了一次,用的好像是剛開始作角一樣 這就是最大的疑點以及爭論點 基本上在這篇文之前有已經很多圖片影片讓 Kuti 的嫌疑越來越大 但這個可以說是致命的一擊 ※ 編輯: chevylove 來自: 220.132.84.96 (02/23 12:08)

02/23 12:12, , 11F
Kuti......
02/23 12:12, 11F

02/23 12:57, , 12F
116行與120行 重複 :D
02/23 12:57, 12F

02/23 20:51, , 13F
請問Matyas Kuti手上用的方塊是蛇麼牌子的? 好像很好轉
02/23 20:51, 13F

02/23 21:54, , 14F
倒是不一定要用 Kuti 那種 38方塊也可以sub-15 :D
02/23 21:54, 14F
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